Sask Tory MP Not Happy With Ottawa Showdown
Opposition plans to form coalition
A Regina Tory MP is appalled by the showdown happening in Ottawa this weekend.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has delayed a non-confidence vote on his minority government to December 8th as the opposition parties discuss the potential for forming a coalition.
Tom Lukiwski says the federal opposition parties are out of line as they discuss plans to possibly defeat the government.
"Seventy-five percent of the people in Canada said that they didn't want a Liberal government," says Lukiwski, "Eighty percent of the people said they didn't want an NDP government, 90 percent of the people said they didn't want a Bloc government.
"Yet these three opposition parties feel that they have the right to form a coalition government and I think that's quite frankly unconscionable."
The opposition parties are threatening to wrest power from the Conservatives over the government's fall economic update.
Originally part of the statement was the government's plan to scrap the subsidy for political parties in a bid to save upwards of 30 million dollars. That provision has since been withdrawn. But Lukiwski still believes in such a motion, saying taxpayers shouldn't be forced to support the parties.
The Liberals, NDP and Bloc say they will go ahead with bringing down the government. But Lukiwski contends any effort by the opposition to take over in Ottawa would backfire.
"We had an election only two months ago and for any opposition party to try and grab power in this manner is strictly unacceptable," he says. "I think that the Canadian people will speak long and hard in the days before this vote takes place."
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make coalition pay for decades to come!
We're nearly 100% blue in SK, AB & MB now so no change there. It's ON and PQ where voters will have to show their anger to coalition move 7 weeks after a $300million election. If liberals, NDP, and Bloc get wiped off face of earth, then we can move forward with what the voters voted for 7 weeks ago.
We don't listen to Tom after
We don't listen to Tom after the rude comments he made about gays. This man has zero credibility. It's hard to figure out why he got re-elected.
Are you serious?
You're a fool if you base your decisions on what a young intoxicated person said 18 yrs ago at a private gathering when camcorders were just invented. He apologized profusely and that is better than Stephane Dion who received worst voting support of any liberal in history of Canada, simply declaring himself Prime Minister!!!
what
what the heck does an old stupid comment got to do with the liberals turning canada into a bannana republic. if they pull this i know 20 people in ontario that voted lib but will never do it again. if they pull this stunt liberals are done.
Lieberals
If anyone had any doubt that the liberals think they are the natural ruling party of Canada you now can be assured of it.Just when you think these eastern led liberal,socialist,drones have pulled every trick in the book they come up with another one.They are slapping the voters right in the face and dont give a damn about it.
Yes, and only 37.6% of
Yes, and only 37.6% of canadians wanted the Conservatives to govern (slightly over 1/3 of ther total population). However, Mr. Harper behaves as if he had 66% of the popular wote. Hoe more arrogant you can be?
I don't know..... I would
I don't know.....
I would think one such case might be trying to put your own party in place of the government while only having 26.3% of the national vote??? Trying to form government within weeks of scoring the lowest percentage of national vote that your party has ever scored in a national election since confederation???
Harper is arrogant.... but apparently there is several people who are more so.
"Seventy-five percent of the
"Seventy-five percent of the people in Canada said that they didn't want a Liberal government,"says Lukiwski, "Eighty percent of the people said they didn't want an NDP government, 90 percent of the people said they didn't want a Bloc government.
--And less than 50% wants you there committing slander on the gay comunity!
Moreover, your party has use the economic status of canada for your own gain. When the people of canada voted u a MINORITY government the east was not being hit as hard as they are right now. Trust me...tory blue would go down if we had an election now!!!
Fine, call election then
That is fine then, call election for another $300 Million 7 weeks after the people have spoken. The problem I have is Dion WHO over 80% of Canadians DO NOT want leading the country, dictating to the people like Chavez in Venezuela, that he is now our Prime Minister! If it was Ignetieff or Goodale, I would have no problem whatsoever if they won in legal election.
"Tory blue would go down if
"Tory blue would go down if we had an election now..."
Not likely.
"It's hard to figure out why he got re-elected."
Not really.
"Use Every Tool At Your Disposal"
Conservative MP's have been dispatched to do exactly what Mr. Lukiwski is doing here.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081129.wtories_mess...
Math
Lukiwski's math is just about as good as Flaherty's, so far he has a running total of 245% of Canadians that are against the coalition.
He forgets that over 60% of Canadians voted "anything but conservative" in the last election.
The political right wing's strategy of divisive politics that began in Bush's Washington under the direction of the likes of Karl Rove, and was adopted by the Reformers in Canada has run its course, people throughout North America are seeing that the only way to succeed in modern times is through co-operation and that is something that these dinosaurs cannot understand, they know only fear and intimidation.
So lets move forward in a spirit of cooperation and pray for these poor unfortunates.
YOU are Just so S-M-R-T...
Yeah... he can add.... *golf clap*
Give your head a shake, you REALLY want to talk about who's the dinosaurs here? It's that old Liberal mentality of entitlement and here they are ready to make a deal with the devil that will hold the rest of Canada hostage to whatever Quebec wants. Right now the Liberal & NDP's idea for an economic stimulus package is another $300 million election, lets get those poor unemployed campaign workers BACK to WORK!!!
Tom has as much credibility
Tom has as much credibility as George W. Bush. He the respect of many people after his comments about Gays. He should zip it and be happy he had enough rednecks to vote him in again.
Explain to me how Lukiwski
Explain to me how Lukiwski comments about gays have anything to do with what is going on in Ottawa1!!!!
Continuing with Tom's logic . . .
Yes Tom, and 62.35% of Canadians said they didn't want a Conservative government. If you flip the numbers around, a coalition which included input from the Green Party would represent 51.22% of the popular vote from the last election!
I do not think the Liberals are the naturally ruling party, but I don't see how the Conservatives have all of a sudden decided that they now hold that title with 37.65% support from the 59.1% of the people who actually voted!
The earlier poster's comment of "[i]f liberals, NDP, and Bloc get wiped off face of earth, then we can move forward with what the voters voted for 7 weeks ago" sounds a bit scary, but not surprising . . . Conservatives are back to their "if you don't agree with us then you must be destroyed" attitude. It sounds a bit like the rulers' policies in Germany, Italy and Spain in the 30's!
Tom is ignorant and should
Tom is ignorant and should be doing work to restore his image in the Gay community.
A Majority Opposition Mandate was awarded by the Voters
To the contrary, Mr. Lukiwski, the voters handed the opposition parties, collectively, a strong majority mandate. The also handed those opposition parties a majority mandate to oppose the agenda of the CPC. The CPC are isolated ideologically in Parliament. The other three parties have much more common ground. They either govern or your government abandon its go-it-alone and bullying approach and simply find consensus. It was largely through gross distortions of reality that you were awarded the small mandate that you were given.
Anonymous, if that's your
Anonymous, if that's your real name, I don't believe anyone who starts a sentence with "trust me".
I'm pretty sure the 62% of
I'm pretty sure the 62% of the population that didn't vote conservative would be happy with a liberal/ndp/bloc coalition government if it means no Stephen Harper.
Is any one in Ottawa really care about the voters?
Whether it is the Liberals, Ndp, PC's or the bloc, do any of them really care about the average Canadian? This is and has been a constant power trip of all parties.
I remembered after the election what 7 weeks ago all the leaders stood up and said that it is time to put aside party politics and work together for us the tax payers. What a crock of you know what, these men and women are so worried about their 2 minute sound bites on the evening news than running the country.
It is time all parties take a good hard look at the big picture and start doing what they are paid to do, representing the people that voted for them, and quick spending time on how to make the other party look bad.
I blame all the parties for the nonsense that is constantly going on. Do I believe that parties should get tax payers funding for how the election goes, no that's is nonsense, maybe they should work for it like everyone else has to do in this Country. Do I believe there is a economic slowdown, yes. But I think it makes more sense to see what our neighbor Country to the South does when President Elect Obama is sworn in. Can we not wait for a month and a half for the U.S. to straighten their mess, which started this? Time for some logic out of our leaders, not grandstanding.
DM
62%
Harper has no one to blame for this mess but himself. Had he worked cooperativly with opposition and not tried to bankrupt them, we would not be in this position. If Canadians had trusted Harper to run the country without the "oversight" of the opposition he would have gained a MAJORITY.
Parliamentary democracy is working as it should!
Sadly, Mr. Lukiwski along with several other Conservative MP's do not seem to understand the workings of Parliament and Parliamentary government. Under a Parliamentary democracy (especially in a Minority government situation), the party with the most seats is asked to form a government. IF they receive a vote of non-confidence, Parliament stands and the Governor General has a duty and an obligation to then ask the Opposition if they can form a government. How they form a government is their right. IF they can, the GG is obligated to allow them to proceed. We do NOT elect a Prime Minister, nor do we elect a party to form a government, we DO elect individual Members of Parliament. in this situation, a majority of Members appear prepared to vote non-confidence in the government. In a democratic Parliament, they are given the opportunity to then form a government. Mr Lukiwski and his party can always vote non-confidence in the new government if they so choose. Mr Lukiwski and his party have no one to blame (but their leader) for putting so crass a partisan move ahead of the interests of the Country and thus precipitating this crisis. If they wish to 'live by the sword' surely they must be prepared to 'die by the sword'.
Who's acting undemocratic?
Canadians elected 308 MP's...not just 143 Conservatives. The Conservatives won the election, but they did not win a majority. More than two-thirds of Canadians voted for another party.
Under our parliamentary system, when the majority of elected MP's lose confidence in the current government's ability to govern, it's the Governor General's constitutional duty to see if the opposition parties are able to form a government, before calling another election. This situation is not undemocratic. It may be a unique situation in Canada, but there are other countries where coalition governments are much more common.
This situation is Stephen Harper's own doing. Rather than dealing with the worsening economy, he chose to make a crass political move in an attempt to severely weaken the opposition parties by eliminating a relatively modest $30 million in public funding to parties, and claiming it a cost-cutting measure.
Attempting to bankrupt and destroy the opposition...doesn't THAT sound a bit undemocratic?
True we live in a free
True we live in a free country. But when Tom's remarks about the gay community were revealed and we found out how he really felt, anything he said after that point many people don't listen to. There are many other people in The Conservative Party they could use to get the message out.
Get ready to be taxed to oblivion.
If this coalition takes power, be ready for spend and grab.. Spend as much money as possible to make it look like thay're the saviours, and then tax the hell out of us to pay for it. They want to tax the job creators to make it look like the government has the money to pay for it. If there was the chance that we would be going into recession, this coalition is gonna make sure it happens. The common worker should be furious with the greedy US banks and trusts for this situation and not expect the taxpayers to make sure their job is saved. And this coalition talk is just because the Libs, NDP, Bloc and Greens haven't figured out hove to excite the electorate into contributing to their parties. All in all its the taxpayers who get screwed, not the politians.
I can't believe the stupidity here
For all you brave Anonymous posters...suck it up and quit slagging on PMSH, our economy is in way better shape than the U.S. because of our system,,,and by the way it was your hero Bill Clinton who started the whole sub prime mortgage mess because some piss ant lawyer named Obama threatened to sue the American government if it didn't provide low interest loans to immigrants and minorities...
During the campain you
During the campain you couldnt find this guy...due to the the gag order by harper...Now because you might lose power you decide to speak. I would have more repect for your opinion if you were seen during the campain...how your riding voted you back in is beyond me...but they can have you!!
Let's do real math!
What amazing spin the Cons can construct! It is they who demonstrate a complete and total disrespect for democracy. They did not secure a majority. Yet, they continue to try to govern as though they do.
Now, let's do some real math. 38% of those who cast a ballot on E-day voted for the Conservatives. But only 58% of eligible voters actually voted. So, that means that only 22% of eligible voters supported the Cons. Hardly a mandate! And let's turn that around. 100 minus 22 equals 78. 78 percent of eligible voters did not vote for the Cons.
78 percent? Wow! That sounds like a whopping majority to me! Go Coalition Forces!!!
Brian Tobin we need you now.
Brian Tobin we need you now. Your our Super Man !
So would Tom agree that 70%
So would Tom agree that 70% of Canadians did not want a Conservative government?